"At KUBO, there's a lot of attention for the employees. That means, among others, that you can continue developing. In fact, I'm a good example of that. I started work in production, where I made drawings for the laser cutter. I joined the company without a clear profession or training, but they saw something in me. When someone left the administration department, they asked if I could take their place. First for half of my time and later full time. And then one day, Wouter, our director, asked whether I'd like to take responsibility for the communications. I had 24 hours to think about it, because 'if you give a woman a week, she still won't have decided'. I said yes."